does anyone remember seeing the witness movie called "heritage" ?
it was made in the early 60's and they used to show it once a year at the kh when i was a kid.
(with guilty minds, we were secretly glad to see the projector set up in the middle section of the hall because it meant we didn't have to sit through another long boring talk.. even as a little kid i could see the one sided propaganda basicaly showing how empty "worldly" peoples lives were compared to ours and if you were a witness your family life would be idyllic like on "leave it to beaver".
1966. I would have been about 9 years old. I think I do remember this being shown at our Kingdom Hall in conjunction with a Circuit Servant's visit.
I don't think I really "got" it. I was too young to really understand it. At that time we were a fully indoctrinated, perfect JW family. Those kind of problems seemed very foreign to me and to be honest my parents were clueless. They lived in JW fantasyland.
since it was learned that ray franz went to the hospital and then passed away, most threads have in my opinion, correctly tried to give some honor and respect to a courageous, honest, and principled man.. some borderline trolls, who know many former jw's are easily upset (and they know this.
i know this...) try to take advantage by hitting on a hot button.
in this case, its to call you a follower of ray franz.. we all know that isn't true.. but i think that a legitimate discussion on this is in order.
I left the JWs in 1973. I remember the name Franz. I remember there were 2 of them on the GB that was expanded in 1971. I remember Fred more.
I have a cousin that was at Bethel between about 1975-1979. He knew Ray Franz. He thought very highly of him and respected him above others. I happened to be in Anderson, SC when the word went out that Ray Franz had been disfellowshipped. This is where all my JW relatives live and my cousin was now living there after returning from Bethel. My cousin came to the family home and told all of us what he had heard. He was very upset and shaken up by the news. I listened to him with interest.
I remember when the book was published. I remember looking at it in a bookstore. I remember wishing that my father were still alive to read it. He needed that book. He wouldn't have felt so alone in his doubts and questions and realizations that he struggled with. My father had died in 1978. I wondered if my mother would ever read it. I felt triumphant in what I read. I hoped that the whole organization would soon crumble into the Hudson River.
I only read the book in full 2 years ago after my mother's death. I am re-reading it now. I have great respect and admiration for Ray Franz and his book. But he is no leader of any group.
I don't understand the anger of some. I'll pray for them.
We can only try to follow his example and let everybody we can know that the Jehovahs Witnesses religion is a hoax and a Mind Control Cult.
This is true. I'd like to do my part. I'm unsure how to do it.
this michigan girl was told by her boss she is too fat to continue to be a hooter's girl.
she is 20 years and 5-8 132 lbs.
i think she is fine.
I've been to a Hooters maybe 3 times. The food is fine. Wings, Burgers, Fries.
I'm a woman. Boobs and super short-shorts are the biggest attraction. The waitresses are very flirtacious and like to lean over the tables to take orders to show as much cleavage as possible.
one idea for a memorial to ray franz:.
donate his two books to the local library.. crisis of conscience.
in search of christian freedom.
I just checked the Gwinnett County, GA library system and they do not have Ray's books. I'm shocked. But I guess the local JWs just check them out and "lose" them.
i did not think it was possible to grieve for someone you have never met.
but i feel such an overwhelming sadness at the loss of ray.
i did receive kind replies to two emails that i sent him, but i never had the pleasure to meet the man.
I felt the same way when I heard that talk on that link.
i did not think it was possible to grieve for someone you have never met.
but i feel such an overwhelming sadness at the loss of ray.
i did receive kind replies to two emails that i sent him, but i never had the pleasure to meet the man.
Interesting question, designs. From what I have read, I think it could be.
apparently it was painless and without trauma for him.. he deserved that.. .
I feel the same as not a captive. He seems to have passed quickly and with little pain or trauma. He lived in his own home and was able to walk out to the road everyday and get his mail. Many, many 88 year olds cannot do that. May I live to 88 and go in the same way.
at the hall i attended in the mid to late 70's the presiding overseer in our cong.
was a real hard nosed little man with control issues.
(the elders were reffered to as the gestapo crew.
just how bored does a child have to be to decide "I think I'm gonna give myself a haircut" during the middle of a meeting.
That's exactly what I thought, too. LOL! The kid was desperate.
We were never allowed to get up and go to the bathroom either. Never. You went before the meeting or assembly session started.
i did not think it was possible to grieve for someone you have never met.
but i feel such an overwhelming sadness at the loss of ray.
i did receive kind replies to two emails that i sent him, but i never had the pleasure to meet the man.
You're right coffee_black. I never really considered that. It's incomprehensible to me.
over at freeminds we didn't want this day to pass without some recognition of the life and death of ray franz.
in view of his stated wishes not to have a memorial or service we hoped for something that he would have liked for all of us to take a moment over.. .
we owe a note of thanks to v for his graphics work and atjeff for the obituary writing - i know neither of them need mentioned by me.. .
Very well written. I should have known AllTimeJeff wrote it. Jeff, you need to write a book yourself. Seriously.
